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August 3, 2013 at 5:15 AM #2919

Anna

This astonishing typeface was introduced by the Cleveland Type Foundry in 1883; the design was not patented.

Neither James West nor Henry Schuenemann, staff type designers/cutters during this period, listed it as his work in correspondence with William E. Loy.¹

Excellent 3D-outline and solid fill versions were “fonted” in 1993 by Roger Hartley of  Silver Graphics. The developer has disappeared, and the fonts are no longer commercially available.

To insure compatibility, vector PDFs of these fonts are included with a full-charset specimen of Argent.

¹Loy, W.E. (1898–1900): Designers and Engravers Of Type. In The Inland Printer, March 1898 (West) and April 1900 (Scheunemann).

View preliminary specimens.


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November 4, 2013 at 8:21 PM #4985

Alan Jay Prescott

As mentioned under separate cover, I have a Postscript version of “apothecary,” and it is a full set of outlines, including glyphs never available. It is an open version, so I can develop the ruling to match.

On the other hand, as awesome as Roger’s work was, I noticed variations from the original that represent his interpretations and some idiosyncratic choices. This being said, I would have been proud of it.

Though I said I would use his outlines, I think I may wait a short while and start from scratch. I feel uncomfortable using his work to make my own, even though he might have gladly given permission. After all, we intend to sell the font, and I feel more comfortable if it is my work for the most part, if not entirely. This means it will not have the at sign!


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April 28, 2014 at 1:03 AM #8703

Anna

Urban Wear, a new flickr contact (Italy?), writes

I gave it a try, to digitize this typeface, My first font, added some “typo charms”:

Argentus

The author has been invited to join The Type Heritage Project.


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April 28, 2014 at 7:03 PM #8718

Robert

Very nicely done, along with the typographic charms, this really enhances Argentus more, making it more artistic.

Yours Truly,
Robert


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April 28, 2014 at 8:24 PM #8716

Roger Seganti

Good Evening Anna,

Thanks for the invitation. This is my first font, got the “typo bug” about a year ago and I started to digitize in vector format a few combination ornaments from those old Typeface Specimen Catalogues that can be found online.

A few months back, going thru the Cleveland Foundry Specimen Catalogue I bump into the Argent font, done some research found it in a few other specimen calatogues, the outlines of Argent Open in Dan X Solo’s book “Decorative Display Alphabets” and an image on flickr, so I thought I would give it try to digitize this typeface.

I called it Argentus and it has a complete upper/lower case, some glyths of Latin 1 supplement and Latin extended A/B, totale of 278 gyths (including flourishes and typography charms). Used FontCreator 7.5 Professional to font it, using single eps vector shapes. Been testing it for about 3 weeks seems OK (well I am pretty satisfied with the result), I have attached a quick mockup I put together.

Roger


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April 28, 2014 at 8:42 PM #8724

Anna

Hi Roger,

Welcome to the Type Heritage Project—here’s hoping that you will enjoy hanging out here! Please explore the forums—now that you’ve been bitten by the “revival bug,” you may find the THP Wish List of special interest.

Argent seems v-e-r-y difficult to digitize as a working font, and screenshots of your revival look terrific!

I can’t help wondering: How did you tame the intricate hatching? Other revival developers have told me that what looks like horizontal lines must be built as rectangles with a control point for each corner.

For example, the (mac) Master of Crayon complains that the native postscript code of this font is so complex that FontLab Fontographer cannot render it as a single OpenType font. He wonders whether the Studio edition can handle it and will test this possibility ASAP.

Did you create EPS outlines with a vector graphics program (Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, etc.) and then import them to FontCreator Pro? Was it possible to generate all alpha-numeric and “charm” glyphs as a single, crash-proof font?

An apology… These questions “spun me out”! So instead of immediately responding to your post (please pardon my poor manners!), I found myself setting up new forums addressing points raised by your most impressive “mock-up.” I’m still working on organizing them, so please bear with me….

If you are willing to share your “trade secrets,” there will soon be a virtual place do so in the Technical Issues forum.

Many thanks for your contributions to The Type Heritage Project!

 


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April 29, 2014 at 10:00 AM #8764

Roger Seganti

Hi Robert, Thanks, for your feedback i really appreciate it.
all the best Roger


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April 30, 2014 at 6:03 AM #8788

Roger Seganti

Hi, no problems I will be glad to share my experience, as I said this is my first font so I really don’t know all the professional/technical aspects of “fonting” a digitized revival.

I’ll try to explain how I managed to do it, I’ve been doing some vector graphics for a few years now, about a year ago I got this “typo bug” and going thru all those Pdf Specimen catalogues on the public domain I was really impressed of those combination ornaments,
so in my spare time I started to digitize a few of them. (I have uploaded a few on flickr)

Combination Ornaments 15 Dainty N°70

in vector format one by one ( I work with Coreldraw) shadowing with vertical/horizontal lines, testing the ratio/size of the lines till I got a good perspective.

I used this “shadowing” also for Argentus the digitized revival of Argent. I have added a few screenshot of the art board of Argentus, I manually traced all the outlines, set a fixed internal contour of 0,4mm and another internal contour 0,7mm for the left bolded internal shadow, this way I got my “open version”. Once this was complete I overlapped the appropriate set of horizontal lines which I had prepared for the shadowing.

Might seem a bit “old fashion” hand made but it done the job, once every single font was created in one combined transparent shape I exported in eps every single glyph.

Big mistake I made at the beginning was not to save all the “Open Glyphs” so I had another font family “Argentus Open” ready, I was able to pick up a few from the art board but not all of the 274 glyphs.

Once all my folders where complete with the single glyphs in eps format I slowly imported into FontCreator 7.5. Done some metrics and testing, being testing it 3 weeks now with Coreldraw, Word & PSD its working fine. (I have tried to submit Argentus to Myfonts, still waiting for the final judgement of the expertise, BTW I hope this does not create any problems with THP?)

Once the font had all the correct proportions I added the typo charms in proportion to the font in the set, with the additional letters already combined in one transperent shape with the flourishes. (screenshot 04).

Don’t know much about postscript and codes so sorry I cannot be helpful in answering.

Started working on the revival commonwealth, this time I am saving all the outlines. (screenshot 05)

Hope it helps, feel free to ask any other questions, not too technical though ;-).

PS, working a couple of hours a day, it took me about 10 days to digitize Argent/Argentus

Roger


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