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September 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM #23693


Minster designed by H. Ilenberg for MS&J (1878)

More info is much appreciated. Attached a 1 line specimen

September 10, 2015 at 12:32 PM #23700

Alan Jay Prescott

This face is only doable with a complete set of caps. If numerals and other stuff were designed, it would need a complete set of those as well. This is not a face one can “fudge.” Again, this is a tremendous amount of work to make it digital.

September 11, 2015 at 3:53 AM #23708


Minster-THPMinster was yet another style ground-breaker by Herman Ihlenburg, who patented the design in May–June, 1878 with assignment to MacKellar, Smiths & Jordan. His cool treatment of the i-dot was imitated by others later, and yet never so appropriately!

This dual-case ornamented latin beauty was consistently shown by MSJ and by ATF as late as 1897. It was also distributed by the Franklin TF (Cincinnati) [AKA Allison & Smith]. Charles H. Smith, foreman, was the son of Lawrence Johnson’s former partner (Johnson & Smith, 1833–1843).

P.S. to Alan

Please check your dropbox folder for specimens—the later commercial ones illustrate a full set of numerals plus ornaments:

  • Patent Exhibit 1878
  • MSJ 1885
  • Franklin 1889
  • MSJ 1892
  • ATF 1897

October 7, 2015 at 3:04 AM #24916


In her chapter on UK introductions of 1875–1890, Nicolette Gray discusses this face as Minister and attributes the design to the H.W. Caslon TF (Caslon Circular 1880).¹ Her comments read:

“More interesting is the group of faces, neither quite like script nor Gothic, but very round like the new blacks, and like all blacks dominated by the lower-case design. Early versions still have something of the clerical touch of the seventies, Caslon’s Minister is nonconformist with its smooth blacks and horizontal stresses…”

Whether this misspelling was her mistake or a deliberate change by Caslon to conceal possible piracy of an MSJ property may never be known. Regardless, the face was still shown as Minster in the Caslon 1915 catalog (long after MSJ’s 14-year design patent expired in 1892).

¹Gray, N. (1938): XIXth Century Ornamented Types and Title Pages, pages 67/206(241). Faber and Faber Limited, London.


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