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April 8, 2014 at 4:36 AM #8037


D22104 GFS ATF 1892-93

The above specimen is taken from an application for a design patent submitted by Gustave F. Schroeder on 11 April 1892. It was assigned to Mr. V.A.J. Rey of ATF San Francisco (an ATF “Charter Member” formerly Palmer & Rey) and approved on January 10, 1893 [USPTO D22104].

Historical Context

  • The application cited is dated about two months after the ATF merger of February 8, 1892.
  • Palmer & Rey was an ATF Charter Member.


  • Like De Vinne#  [Table 3:63–96], this design was probably commissioned by a future ATF member whose routine patent policy was to “skip the ‘red tape’; just display a ‘pending’ notice.”
  • This attitude characterized the two most powerful ATF members: Central|Boston and Dickinson.
  • It was contrary to the one exercised by other prominent ATF members: MSJ, Conner, Cleveland, Marder Luse, etc.

Can someone match this patent specimen with a tradenamed commercial one?

¹Loy, W.E. (1898–1900): Designers and Engravers of Type. In The Inland Printer, December 1898 (Schroeder); August 1899 (Werner).

September 9, 2014 at 6:43 AM #15871


The name I have on file for that Design Patent is “Ramona.” The issue date for the patent is 1-10-93. This information came to me through working with Dave Norton’s research papers and communication with him.

September 9, 2014 at 6:53 AM #15874


Thank you so much, George! Welcome to The Type Heritage Chapel—here’s hoping that you’ll enjoy hanging out here.

Once you supplied Ramona’s all-important tradename, I looked it up in Tribby’s database and followed his trail to ATF’s 1900 catalog at Haithi Trust:

Ramona, 1900 ATF

Ramona will be the next candidate for revival.

If you are so inclined, please tell us more about your work with Dave Norton.

Thanks again, Anna

September 9, 2014 at 6:55 AM #15875


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November 9, 2014 at 10:01 PM #17609


Another commercial specimen of ATF Ramona: The Inland Printer, August 1899.


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