Tudoresque

Welcome! Forums Revivals T Tudoresque

This topic contains 9 replies, has 3 voices, and was last updated by  jch02140 1 year, 3 months ago.

Author Posts
Author Posts
December 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM #6435

Anna

TudoresqueTudoresque is an IMPORTANT 19th-century face that “spun off” multiple imitations. Nicolette Gray writes that this “over-the-top” o-l-d-i-e was a Figgins design introduced in 1847. Indeed, it is not shown in the digital copy of the edition she dates as c1846.¹

A very similar face was shown in the US by the Bruce TF as Medieval (≤1869). Furthermore in 1870, Herman Ihlenburg patented a face tradenamed Medieval Text by MacKellar, Smiths & Jordan, the assignee [USPTO D3813].

The Bruce and MSJ faces are very different, and yet the eternal Type Tradename Tangle has confused historians about these three faces.²·³ Thanks to a tip from THP Partner Brian Bonislawsky, a specimen of the Figgins original was discovered in the Rob Yablon collection.

The caps and numerals of this face were “fonted” by Sorceror in 2005, who reports:

“This font is based loosely on a script found in the book Hill’s Manual of Social and Business Forms (Chicago: Hill Standard Book Co., 1893) by Thomas E. Hill.*  This font is Shareware.  To purchase the rights to use this font, contact the author at the e-mail address above.  Purchase price is $5.00 – This font may be used for educational purposes for no charge with my consent.  This font is not to be redistributed without express written permission beforehand.”

A permission request addressed as directed was not answered.

*Perhaps Hill added the ornate alternates, which have not been seen elsewhere.

GoudyLeaf-LeftSee also Medieval.
____

¹Gray, N. (1938): XIXth Century Ornamented Types and Title Pages, pages 136/188. Faber and Faber Limited, London.
²Solo, D.X. (1984): Gothic and Old English Alphabets|100 Complete Fonts, page 53. Dover Publications, Inc. (Min­ne­ola, NY.
³Johnston, A.M.; Saxe, S.O. [Editors](2009): William E. Loy|Nineteenth-Century American Designers and Engravers of Type, page 43. Oak Knoll Books, New Castle, DE.

Preliminary Specimensflickr images

PDF, existing caps font with ornate background alternates
Hard-copy scans, grayscale @1200 dpi:

Full dual-case alphabet with partial numerals
Complete numerals


  Quote
December 20, 2013 at 6:05 AM #6576

koeiekat

This one with a different A has also been digitized by Chyrllene K. (I don’t know what the K stands for)), named Enchiridion. http://www.dafont.com/enchiridion.font


  Quote
January 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM #6853

Anna

Tudoresque“Enchiridion”Thanks for the tip, KK. I can’t account for the interesting A in the Chyrllene K./Intellecta version [right]—never seen this variation before…

Figgins’ original A was outrageously distinctive with the “bone-shaped” bar across the apex, tassels and “everything but the kitchen sink”!

My hunch is that this revival substitutes a new A to address today’s market for “occult-ish” fonts for use in games, etc.

THP still hopes for a dual-case revival faithful to the one introduced by Vincent Figgins and his son, even though it’s admittedly nuts (What were they thinking?).


  Quote
January 4, 2014 at 7:01 AM #6857

Anna

“Enchiridion”I just figirued out that quirky A: The V flipped vertically and horizontally. Do you recognize the T? It’s imported from another face that I can’t quite place—very similar to Ihlenburg’s Oxonian. The real T replaces the Z.


  Quote
January 14, 2014 at 7:53 AM #7155

koeiekat

That T is the T of the Geschlossen Gotik Kaps. An Altmark font, revived by Jim Fordyce in 1993.


  Quote
January 15, 2014 at 10:55 PM #7156

Anna

Thanks again, KK—your eye and your memory are impressive! I have the Fordyce font and have never matched it with an “analog ancestor.” Hoping that someone can tell me, I started a new topic about it.


  Quote
March 14, 2016 at 10:10 AM #26713

jch02140

Tudoresque has been digitized by Brian J. Bronislawsky as MFC Hills Medieval under his second font foundry Monogram Fonts Co.,

https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/monogram/mfc-hills-medieval/

Would be nice to see Medieval get digitized as well…


  Quote
March 15, 2016 at 11:01 AM #26763

Anna

Thanks for the info!

Please read my followup about Medieval.


  Quote
March 16, 2016 at 10:14 PM #26785

Anna

Sorry Johney,

Further research of Medieval led to even-closer examination/analysis/interpretation of Herman Ihlenburg’s life and work. Together with technical problems at flickr.com [OUCH!], publication of my contribution to historical knowledge of this font has been delayed.

Preview

  • It is highly unlikely that Ihlenburg “recut” Tudoresque as Bruce Medieval 20+ years after introduction by Figgins in 1847.
  • The design for Medieval was not “new, novel and non-obvious,” so it was not patented in the US.
  • Lacking a patent exhibit, many glyphs are missing from extremely(!) scarce commercial specimens. I know only two Bruce catalog showings (1869 and 1901).

Consequently, Medieval may not be a candidate for digital revival–stay tuned…

P.S. Can you identify the source of your Medieval specimen citing Ihlenburg’s involvement?


  Quote
March 17, 2016 at 9:18 AM #26807

jch02140

Hi Anna,

That specimen was taken from Stephen Saxe’s proof of his metal type collections in his flickr account.
Unfortunately, there are no complete alphabet proof available…

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sos222/sets/72157637565144595


  Quote

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.